Saturday, February 04, 2006

First Amendment berserker

At the risk of losing my recent membership in the responsible, radically moderate (and quite select) John Spruce Society:

While recognizing the importance of freedom of the press and expression, U.S. State Department press officer Janelle Hironimus said these rights must be coupled with press responsibility.

"Inciting religious or ethnic hatred in this manner is not acceptable," Hironimus said. "We call for tolerance and respect for all communities and for their religious beliefs and practices."

Listen, Hironimus, you cow. And Rice for that matter:

Okay, as I choke down the the notion of the foreign affairs arm of the United States government using the word "responsibility" and presuming to lecture the free press of what it may consist, let me say this: if diplomacy and the military might of the United States is to be used for anything, it should be used in the defence of our constitutional rights, and among the most prominent of these is freedom of the speech and the press. Goverments cannot define "responsible," because they are interested parties. You must defend them all, from all enemies, domestic (well, except yourselves, of course) and foreign. You took an oath.

You talk about "transformational democracy?" Do you really think that any
democratic virtue is more important than letting the other guy have his say, regardless of how offended to you are? Is there a more important lesson?

How serious am I about this? For a dozen reasons, philosophical and practical, I opposed the invasion of Iraq and continuing operations there. But if any nation assisted action against for an American citizen publishing a caricature of Mohammed, I would support converting that country to the Luminous Republic of Glassistan. Bin Laden's grievances cited as cause for the 9/11 attacks -- factually accurate -- were at least arguably hostile acts against the rights of Muslims; the "right" not to be offended emphatically excluded.

How serious am I about this? I think it was criminal that Britain hid Rushdie instead of setting up a series of sting operations to kill anyone who would have assassinated him for The Satanic Verses.

And I say this as someone who does not believe Islam is inherently more prone to terrorism than Christianity, Buddhism, atheism or any other belief system, or any more inherently intolerant. I also say this as someone who loathes most of Rushdie's work, including the Satanic Verses. You know that old line about disagreeing with someone but defending their right to say it to the death? I wouldn't presume to courage I've never had to demonstrate, but I approve of the sentiment. Especially if we're talking about the other guy's death, the one who would abridge that right.

Of course the conservatives in the Congress and this administration who would amend the First Amendment to specifically outlaw flag-burning because this political act offends their feelings clearly understand from where the denizens of the outraged Muslim street are coming.

But, wondering: do Ann Coulter's "Invade, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity" and Pat Robertson's advocacy of assassinating Hugo Chavez constitute a classic example of "fighting words," especially as influential memebrs of a representative democracy, and are therefore quite outside First Amendment rights? Like the Arabs or Venezuelans would be within their rights to, ah, silence them, in pre-emptive self-defence?

But let me say for the record, in my view: Mohammed was a liar; Allah is largely a myth; the Hadith are likely forgeries; Islam is full of the detritus of desert polytheism.

7 Comments:

At 6:07 AM, Blogger Rem870 said...

TStockman said, And I say this as someone who does not believe Islam is inherently more prone to terrorism than Christianity, Buddhism, atheism or any other belief system, or any more inherently intolerant.

Have you ever read the Koran? I've not read it in its entirity, but I've read enough to know that Islam is much more prone to terrorism and violence.

Even putting that aside, though, there is this - most Muslims are ignorant. That is to say that they are poorly educated (especially the 'soldiers'). The leadership is very well educated. I liken it to medieval Christianity - the leaders (both religious and secular, when they can be separated) are educated and the followers are not. This leads to a case of the followers believing whatever the leaders tell them. Thus, when you get some blood-hungry zealots in charge (much like the Christian Crusades), the followers will do whatever they're told. Add blind devotion to a violent belief system and blood will flow.

 
At 6:28 AM, Blogger Erudite Redneck said...

Amen, TStock.

And REM, I think his assertion that Islam is no more prone to violence than Christianity is based on history, and neither the Koran nor the Bible.

 
At 6:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your membership in the John Spruce Society is quite safe. I've checked with the excutive committee so I can say that with confidence.

TS, in todays climate you still qualify as "moderate". Our State Department by definition is a wishey washey entity, so you can simply ignore what they have to say, even more so today than ever before.
As to why American news outlets should or should not publish these cartoons, some have, some have with Muhammad pictilated, other just didn't.
The Danish Muslem instigators of this whole thing tried to get the ball rolling last September and failed, it just fisseled out on them. What they are on record as wanting is an EU law prohibiting such blaspheme as they see it. Well the fire died down and nothing happened, so they added some obscene cartoons that came to them in the mail to the mix and are tying again by setting the Arab Street on fire elsewhere. Now the papers in the EU are now engaged, and are thumbing their nose at them, which is exactly what the Imans wanted to happen.
Let us leave it over there where it belongs. Importing the argument to the U.S. is simply non-productive.
By the way did anyone catch the "South Park" version of Muhammad?
One note of cultural interest however, is that for the most part, it is the ultra-conservative religious types in America that are most willing to show the cartoons that another religion deems as blasphemous.

 
At 6:55 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

ER said:
"And REM, I think his assertion that Islam is no more prone to violence than Christianity is based on history, and neither the Koran nor the Bible."

Whoa,
Actually guys, history very much supports the violent aspect of the origins of Islam. Muhammad was not a Christ like figure that expounded his views and then sent his desciples out. No he was a waring conquering General that personally led his armies to conquer the opposing peoples around him and convert them by force of arms. Islam is a religion very much born in violence as a historical matter.
That he was a "moral" warrior is to his credit. He did not allow unessecary killing, and even arrange his battles so that his troops could still pray five times a day to Allah. Perhaps as a General he oversaw maybe no more than several hundred deaths of the enemy, but how does that compare to Christ, or Buddha, or even Zoraster?

 
At 7:52 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the way TS, as vice-president of the TJSS, I thought I would make sure that you were cognazant of its origins and history. This was previously posted at ER's some time ago:

Kurt Vonnegut in his book "Mother Night" identified an organization named the "John Spruce Society". Private John Spruce of the United States Army was the first soldier killed at the Berlin Wall. He was accidently run over by a Russian tank as he sat in the middle of the road at Check Point Charley.
Thus the "John Spruce Society" was a radical middle of the road group of true believers. I joined that group when I was in college, or fair to say I founded the Oklahoma Chapter of that group. There were three members back in the early 1960's. They were me and my two room mates. Now one has moved to Virginia and gone off into the radical right and the other went off to Colorado and fell in with the radical athiest left. Apostates both of them. So I am the lone member of the original Oklahoma Chapter left in the middle and in Oklahoma.
(In point of fact, by default the Oklahoma Chapter is also the International Chapter in that all other chapters have ceased to exist.)
The motto of the Oklahoma Chapter is taken from the famous Oklahoma song writter and drug user from Eric, Oklahoma, the late Roger Miller. The motto is: The Pendulum Swing Like The Pendelum Do.." It was our profound understanding that that the pendulum was only swinging to the left 25% of the time and was swinging to the right only 25% of the time, but was swinging towards the middle 50% of the time. Thus we John Sprucers knew that we were correct at least twice as much as the right or the left in that pendulum of life touched the moderate middle twice as often as it did the extreme right or the left.

New Members Are Welcome!

 
At 2:31 PM, Blogger TStockmann said...

I had to take a deep breath of sheer relief; I had feared my commander would tear my button-down buttons from my broadcloth shirt and break my keyboard over his knee. But I have to say re the pendulum: that's terrible math. The pendulum is swinging toward and away from any point in its arc precisely half the time each.

rem: I'd be happy to discuss Islam and violence at windy length sometime, but the specific link I denied was was Islam and terrorism . Terrorism is a matter of the type of means available. One of my favorite riddles:

Q: What is a terrorist?
A: A very low-flying fighter-bomber.

 
At 6:04 AM, Blogger SBB said...

Well said.

 

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